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At least Clinton showed that he was a human being and not above temptation.
No, I don't believe that he will admit he was wrong, but he should.Quote:
Originally Posted by [AK]Devil_Dog
Truman had a plaque reading "The buck stops here" on his desk. Kennedy took full responsibility for the Bay of Pigs. Carter took full responsibility for the failed Iranian hostage rescue attempt. Reagan took full responsibility for both the bombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon and the Iran-Contra scandal.
Goddamn right I expect him to take responsibility, and it's certainly not "unprecedented."
The level of "apology" that I know you want would be, Sonic.
It'd serve no purpose other than to boost the Dem's run at the White House.
I'll respond to Slaughter's post when I have more time.
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Originally Posted by [AK]Squidly
With the direction Bush's approval ratings are going, it might not matter.
Slaughter,
You seem awefully confused on the issues. The primary objective of the Iraq war was NOT to capture Bin Laden. Nobody every mentioned capturing Bin Laden in Iraq.
"At least Clinton showed that he was a human being and not above temptation."
If being morally weak is an asset to you, it explains your hatred for Bush.
I won't even comment on the Vietnam comparison as I have a hard time believing anyone with any real knowledge of history and no political agenda could do so with a straight face.
Which war? The war on terror? I can't believe anyone would think that after 9/11 we should have simply stuck our heads in the sand, apologized for being the Evil Empire and not done anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by [AK]Slaughter
Has it been successful? Yes, how many large scale acts of terror have been committed in the US since 9/11? How many? Zero you say?Quote:
Has it been successful? NO, we don't have Bin Laden's head on a stick.
We have not captured Bin Laden yet but short of invading Pakistan - something that this administration would be crucified for - I don't see an easy way to get at him.
The President has successfully overseen two large scale successful military campaigns and brought the economy out of a recession that the previous administration started (remember the economy had soured in Clinton's last term)Quote:
Bush has been about as successful as a modern Democratic president declaring war (that still hasn't happened, correct?).
We have not acquired anything. We are in the process of liberating Iraq and helping the Iraqi's install a democratic, freely elected government. Do I think a democracy is better than a dictatorship, theocracy, or communist state? Damn right I do! Freedom is ALWAYS better than tyranny.Quote:
The only successful thing about this "War on Terror" has been our aquisition of Iraq (though we don't actually possess it, it "belongs to the people of Iraq".. but what are we doing?.. shaping our ideals and systems onto a society that directly conflicts with ours, i.e. "Making them a Democracy".. Will it work? Probably not. Has it worked in Afghanistan? I would be more inclined to say, no.. it hasn't.)
No, but we are getting closer and we have him on the run. His operations and influence have been severely curtailed.Quote:
The Main Objective: Get Bin Laden.. Have we done that? The simple answer is: No, we have failed miserably at getting Bin Laden.
You argue about the failure to capture Bin Laden but offer no real tangible alternative to getting him. What if the other government is a sympathizer of Bin Laden or just doesn't want to play nice? What then?Quote:
We have no right to invade other countries just to persue a couple of individuals.. We should speak with the governments and send special task forces in to disable communication and shut down these individuals infrastructures.
We've already argued this point in another thread. It's supply and demand that's raiding prices. That and the simple fact that OPEC represents a collusion of oil producing countries that while seeming quite unfair to us consumers is a reality and fact of life. How do we deal with OPEC? Pump more of our own oil. More offshore drilling, tapping into new areas. Create more supply to meet grwoing demand. Prices will drop.Quote:
Gas prices are currently astronomical, I blame Bush and his "war".
The war is not only in Iraq, its in Afghanistan as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by [AK]Hylander
Thanks for questioning my morals. Temptation is a part of being human.. if we didn't have temptation we would still all be living in a perfect world without hate, war or racism. Essentially we would still be living in the Garden of Eden.
This War on Terror is not our war, it is a war the "terrorists" created.. we should TACTICALLY aquire our targets, not just "zerg" countries and overrun them.
As for the current polls: http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...todaypolls.htm
Seems Bush isn't doing so well anyway.
There are two primary factors driving oil prices: 1) Futures. 2) ChinaQuote:
Originally Posted by [AK]Bribo
The 'hoarding' of crude oil futures has driven the price of oil a great deal and Chinese consumption of oil has skyrocketed over the last 18 months as it's economy is literally churning and burning.
Nobody every discusses what most Europeans pay for gas. Americans are truly 'spoiled' in that regard.
OK. Clinton was forced into apologizing Slaughter, and believe me to this day I am sure he feels victimized and wronged.
I think the saddest thing about Clinton is he was one of our most intelligent, best looking Presidents we ever had. He had charisma, and could speak well. The shame is he was morally bankrupt and like any other tax and spend liberal he claimed he was for the middle man, but all he did was rape us with tax hikes.
Bush is honest, there is nothing behind his back that we do not see. He is not the best speaker we have ever had, nor is he the smartest. He probably isn't even the President that will be remembered 20 years from now.
But, at least you know where he stands on issues. Has has never changed his stance on Abortion, defense, taxes, economy, and most importantly God.
Liberals detest someone who isn't afraid to point at the man upstairs and say he is my leader and my father. I have no idea why that bothers Liberals some much? I guess because it means that your accountable for all the things you do???
Bush knows one thing, in the end he will be held accountable for the things he has done, right or wrong. Liberals can't even fathom that.
I'm not sure what your point for posting that poll is for, considering Bush would win the election based on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by [AK]Slaughter
I wasn't questioning your morals, I made a statement based on your comments regarding Clintons "temptation". If committing adultery is OK to you because it shows you are "human", I have to whole hearedly disagree. It only shows moral weakness. I'm certainly not perfect, and I'm certainly not without "sin" - but I certainly don't think its a positive attribute to promote a weakness as a 'credential' of ones character.
The war on terror will take place anywhere terrorism is fostered, trained, aided, and supplied. Iraq was one of those places and it certainly sent a clear message to Libya.
Has it been successful? Yes, how many large scale acts of terror have been committed in the US since 9/11? How many? Zero you say?
No, it has not been successful. The goal was to stop WORLDWIDE terrorism. Have we done that? No, we have simply forced terrorists to attack countries other than our own.
We have not acquired anything. We are in the process of liberating Iraq and helping the Iraqi's install a democratic, freely elected government. Do I think a democracy is better than a dictatorship, theocracy, or communist state? Damn right I do! Freedom is ALWAYS better than tyranny.
Read it again please: we don't actually possess it, it "belongs to the people of Iraq"
No, but we are getting closer and we have him on the run. His operations and influence have been severely curtailed.
Closer you say? Is it worth getting "closer" without the information of where he exactly is and just losing MORE american lives? I personally don't think it is.. I personally think we DIDN'T use TACTICS in this war, and I think TACTICS are necessary to win.
Actually thats only out of the "likely" voters.. if you look at the national adults and actual Registered voters Kerry would win. Not to mention people really aren't approving of what Bush is doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by [AK]Hylander
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Originally Posted by [AK]Hylander
OMG! Someone really gets it! Thanks Hylander, because I am really sick of hearing people bitch about gas at the pumps, this was predicted to happen 2 years ago. Now Opec is under the heat and says that "We cannot sustain 40$ a barrel oil futures". Wonder where that pressure is coming from in a market which epitomizes "buyer beware"? Or in other words, "Hey don't blame me, I am just supply the market, I don't set the prices". And China's go-go economy, well let's see how long that lasts, as there is a lot of concern about their pace right now on world markets and consumption. Because oil is not the only thing that they are chewing up at record pace right now. Try coal and scrap metal.
What exactly does it take for you to approve of the war on terror? Does an act of terror have to be commited in your home town before you realize the severity of what happened? Or was the attack not large enough for you do 10,000 or 100,000 people have to die first? Should we just sit here and wait to be kicked again? Or do all that we can to prevent it from ever happening again? YES! Being a New Yorker and knowing people that died on 9/11 I fully support Bush and his effort imperfect or not. Also if you place the blame squarely on the president, then do you realize he doesn't gather the intel himself, not to mention the thousands of people that are involved in the decision making process. Are all politicians that approved the war on terror Bush's boys? NO! Do they continue to approve additional funding for the war on terror YES!Quote:
Originally Posted by '[AK
Slaughter In regards to your statement "At least Clinton showed that he was a human being and not above temptation. " Do you truly you feel lieing to the people of this country and only admitting the truth when the overwhelming evidence was presented is an admirable trait in a president?
You're Welcome! :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by [AK?]GovermentCheese
China is an interesting economic study. It's population size alone is enough to drive GDP growth, but China has a great deal of liabilities to face in terms of resources and history has shown over and over that Communism / Socialism does not work in the long run. China is trying to mix the market economy in with limited 'freedoms', but the State still controls most of the industry and in the long run, disincentives will definitely take hold and they will never approach the efficiency and productivity of a free market place. Our economy kicks ass like no other and I've mentioned this before, but I find it quite humorous listening to people who say the economy sucks and it's worst "it's ever been" or "in a long long time". Americans have very short attention spans, memory, and very little retention of history. Most 'youngns' born after 1980 don't really know what hard times are. The mid 90s and early 2001 - 2004 were not and are not hard times! LOL Hell, I could argue that most people born after WWII (Which I obviously was (1971)) don't know what true hard times are - but that's a different discussion. ;) In what most young people think are 'bad' conditions, almost any country in the world would kill to have. We are most fortunate and just one of the reasons we have to defend it wherever it is threatened.