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I dont know much about it, its woked more than fine for me. I've been told that it only screwes up when viewing websites made via programs, instead of hand coded. But thats hearsay...
I dunno crap about it like I said, but you seem to know something. And I'm interested to hear it.
I prefer a ton of its features, like telling scripts what they can and can't do. blocking pictures that aren't from the website your viewing. You avoid a ton of annoying ads that way.
Just curious...
I agree. I love Mozilla. Great browser. And it's free.
Get with the program, Squidly. ;)
Obviously it doesn't support standard HTML correctly in all cases.
Moveable Type is a web standard (tm). I've viewed my site using Internet Explorer, Netscape, Safari, Opera, on Windows, OSX and Linux platforms.
Mozilla (and maybe Lynx) are the only browsers that I'm aware of that choke on it.
I'm glad you guys like a browser that doesn't work. :)
I think Squidly needs some Rolaids for his tummy ache. :-)
I've been using Mozilla for almost 6mths and I have only run into maybe 2 or 3 small issues. Mozilla has been a wonderful browser. The features and the things you can do with it is great. And with the version 1.3 and the built in pop-up blocking, it's almost flawless in my mind. And for those 'occasional' sites that don't co-op I cough up IE for them. But it's pretty rare. It would just be nice to do a Windows update with Mozilla :-)
Monopoly!
I agree... I use Mozilla on Linux and rarely have problems. When I do it's at sites such as ESPN which tends to get overly 'fancy' with it's design, etc.
In WinXP, I do use IE, but in the past I had been using Opera and it was great. My only wish right now for IE is tabs dammit!! :)
My site is anything but fancy. Like I said, if you guys like using a broken browser, more power to you.
Or maybe not visiting a "broken" site like your! =P
BTW... I'm using Mozilla 1.3 at home Squidly and I'm pretty sure I've visited your site with it with no problems. I'll have to take a look tonight.
We never had these fights or problems with 3270 terminals. I miss them and they will make you green with envy.
Sadly, I'm probably one of the only people on this forum who know what you're talking about. :)
Wrong!!
3270 is alive and well were I work. I have one running the next window. Want a job? :)
cause you are old Too!
Nope! I've already joined the next century, thank you. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by [AK]Hale
Wrong!!
3270 is alive and well were I work. I have one running the next window. Want a job? :)
My site isn't broken, it's coded to web standards. It's also running on 10's of thousands of other sites.Quote:
Originally posted by [AK]Hylander
Or maybe not visiting a "broken" site like your! =P
BTW... I'm using Mozilla 1.3 at home Squidly and I'm pretty sure I've visited your site with it with no problems. I'll have to take a look tonight.
Actually, your site run through the W3C validator produces errors.Quote:
Originally posted by [AK]Squidly
My site isn't broken, it's coded to web standards. It's also running on 10's of thousands of other sites.
Also.. Mozilla is widely known as one of the most compliant web browsers out there:
http://www.yourhtmlsource.com/browserupgrades.html
"Finally released in June 2002 after a long development period, the open-source Mozilla browser is the creation of the group behind the powerful Gecko rendering engine which powers many other browsers. Mozilla flies the flag as the most compliant of the current browsers and is available for every computer platform under the sun. Improved versions are available nightly."
Just about EVERY site will have validation errors, so saying its "standards compliant" is pretty hard to say to an 'absolute' term.
XHTML Validator
http://validator.w3.org/
CSS Validator
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/
Let me try again.
1) 10s of thousands of sites use the *exact same code*.
2) It has rendered flawlessly on 5 different browers on 3 different operating systems that I personally tried.
3) Garrett claims that it renders correctly on a machine that he is running elsewhere.
I don't know what's going on with your Mozilla, or what version you're using. But it would seem to me that it should be able to display the exact same code that millions view with no problem every single day.
LOL, then let me try again on each point
1) Then how come I can't find a ton of information anywhere with huge amounts of Mozilla / Movable type problems? I found some on Movable Types forums and a google search produced some, but nothing pointing to mass errors due to Mozilla not being compliant. In fact... I found this:
Movable Type and textarea
As long as we're still talking about Movable Type and Mozilla, I had some issues with the textarea elements on the Create New Entry and Edit Entries pages. The code has the attribute wrap="virtual" which Mozilla doesn't support because it's not in the HTML4/XHTML1 specs. Which means text wasn't wrapping. The solution is to add the cols attribute.
Searching around, I found this thread in the MT Support forums that details a quick fix and an explanation from Mena as to why it wasn't addressed.
2) And as I said, I'm pretty sure it worked on Mozilla 1.3 on my Linux box at home - I'll check tonight
3) Yeah, which is why I don't think it is a universal Mozilla problem. It probably has something to do with versions and/or settings. Do you know if anyone with Netscape 6.0 or later has visited your site with any problems or not?
Unfortunately that's not always the case, especially when you are dealing with CMS and Blogs... which many of them have custom themes, CSS, modules, Blocks, etc. IE has alot of non-compliant tag support in it. Netscape has 'some' as well. It use to be you had to design a website for IE, then another for Netscape. Hell, remember the big flair up when MS would not allow non-IE browsers to sections of MSN? LOLQuote:
I don't know what's going on with your Mozilla, or what version you're using. But it would seem to me that it should be able to display the exact same code that millions view with no problem every single day.
I'm not trying to argue with you and I'm not telling you there is something wrong with your site, I'm just pointing out that saying "my site conforms to standards" is very vague in interpretation because it is very hard to determine. PHP-Nuke says the same thing and I KNOW it's not at least in a few areas of code (or at least up for debate). With that being said, if you are using Windows, I don't see why you would want to use something other than IE 6 unless you just hate MS or are hell bent on Window Tabs. However, when you are talking about Linux - Mozilla, IMHO, is the best browser out there with Opera a close second.
All IMHO.
Gee Hale, I didn't know there was openings at the retirement home! LOL!!!Quote:
Originally posted by [AK]Hale
Wrong!!
3270 is alive and well were I work. I have one running the next window. Want a job? :)
You guys are just jealous.
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That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that my site is plain vanilla Moveable type,Quote:
Originally posted by [AK]Hylander
I'm not trying to argue with you and I'm not telling you there is something wrong with your site, I'm just pointing out that saying "my site conforms to standards" is very vague in interpretation because it is very hard to determine.
out of the box, unchanged. That same Moveable type is viewed literally millions of times every day around the internet without a bit of problem.
When I say it is an "internet standard" perhaps "a site that should be easily viewable by any reasonably up to date browser" is better.
Squidly,
Just checked on the Linux box. Although the site is readable, there are some break bars showing up at the top of the site that are out of place and go across stories, etc.
Luckily Mozilla users are a small minority and it will affect very few people who visit your site anyways. :)
Hale - I used to be a CICS systems programmer and Rocks is an old crusty VTAM guy.
And Cics.... BTAM, VSAM, BDAM and IMS/DC on VS1, MVS and some VM. LOL
Wow, I dont think I've gotten this many replies on a subject before.
I was just curious, ask a simple question, and get the most complicated non-answer possible.
I dunno if I said I tried your site on a different comp. While I did, it was an IE browser. Heaven forbid I change something on the computer I lent my parents.
I Just wanted to know if there was some information I was missing.
I in no way meant to spark a debate over which browser is best.
No worries, Garrett. We'll happily spin the conversation off in a million unintended directions at no additional cost to you!
Thank you, please drive through! :)
You guys from Canada always want to keep things simple. You never want to multi-task a subject into 20 different things. LOL, that's why us crazy Americans are all nutz. We like to gab about all sorts of non-realted stuff.
Join us!
Join us!
Why do you think we call you Crazy Americans?
What you dont realize is that we can multitask the hell out of you. Let's see you build an igloo while fending off a polar bear, AND feed your kid.
Punks...
(edited because I can't spell)
You got me there Garrett. I would never be able to build a house out of ice and snow. That would be just too hard. Plus I don't think I could handle a lazyboy made out of snow. The first time I fart I'd melt the damn thing. That is just not a good thing.
LOL
Can I access your site with my VT100, Squid?
You can try...
Oh man! That's funny Ab. I don't think you would be able to fit Christina Agulira on your screen there bud. Check out his site and you'll see what I mean.
let me get this straight:
squidly's defending his site because the site's backbone is a free content manager that anyone can install, and it so happens the content manager claims it supports w3c standards.
you get what you pay for, and since you didn't pay a cent in this case, you get shoddy code. cheapskate.
so rather than alerting the developers of their flaws, you'd rather be lazy and blame an open-source browser?
i fart in your general direction.
a majority does not always mean something is right. this is one of those cases.
write your own damn code.
i easily get pissed off about stuff like this.
People who are often wrong also often find themselves pissed off.
care to correct me, for i have no idea as to what is wrong regarding my previous statements?
The code isn't shoddy, and I'm not a cheapskate. The rest of it isn't worth responding to.