Obama Speech

[[AK]Swae]

So I missed the airing of Obama's speech, but thanks to Metafilter, I found a link to the text as well as suprisingly intelligent and lengthy discussion.

I actually spent an hour reading through all the comments and conversation - I found it fascinating to see how a slice (albeit a slightly more liberal than average) of the internet world reacted to this speech. I think I will wait to make an opinion until I can get home and actually watch the video, but I'll have to admit that my gut reaction is to be impressed.

What did you guys think?

[[AK]Kidd]

I think he has a great speech writer.

I also think he will betray our armed forces and everything they have sacrificed.

There's an old saying...." Vote as you shot"

[[AK]Beaker]

If I look at it not as a cynical politico that I tend to be but as just a person. I say it is about time that people begin to have a dialog about race that isn't filled with anger on both sides. How do you sit down at a table and talk when you both are convinced that each has more rightousness to be angry than the other?
It was an interesting speech and if nothing else has people talking about uncomforatble topics. Heck you are from the south you know the anger from both sides as well. You live with the anger all around you. Wouldn't it be great (although unlikely) if some of the mistrust could be abated.

Now from the cynical view.
He is behind in Pennsylvania(12 points at last count) and his ex-pastor said some pretty damaging things that would cause him to be even less popular in the election. This was truly a sink or swim time and the jury is still out on whether he is sinking or swimming.
In addition this gave him some national attention that will stand up well if he garners the Democratic nomination. After all it's not a bad thing to be compared to JFK's speech. Mit Romney tried it this year and fell quite flat.

[[AK]Swae]

I think he has a great speech writer.

I also think he will betray our armed forces and everything they have sacrificed.

There's an old saying...." Vote as you shot"

Actually, he wrote the entire speech himself.

And as far as his military position, he gave this speech today which I think outlines his intentions and reasonings quite well. I'm not saying I agree with him one way or the other, but it's refreshing to hear a politician speak of what he is going to do, but also give well-thought out and intelligent reasons why.

[[AK]Squidly]

He talks purty, I'll give 'im that.

[[AK]Hylander]

I don't think his public speaking is up to par as President Bush's....

OK.. now that I got that humor out of the way.

If anyone knows me, they know I can't stand anything Hillary Clinton stands for. With that being said, I'd spend a week in a car driven by StitchJones to vote for her over Obama. I don't trust the mans honesty in the least denominator. The whole situation with the pastor is a joke. Everyone who has any objectivity of any level knows damn well he knew exactly what that pastor was all about. I heard on the radio on the way home that he has an ad for the Black Panthers still on his website? (I haven't looked or read anything else about it... I was in and out of my office most of the day removing an ATM from a location).

Regardless, I believe he is little more than a less angry and volatile minority "activist" in a much more pretty package than Rev. Jackson or Al Sharpton. Nothing more, nothing less. He's done nothing significant as a politician. The only factual information on his background all leave more questions than answers going back to his religious background, his "influences", his current beliefs, and who he associates himself with. Oh wait, he's about "change". Don't know WHICH change.. but he's about "change". I guess that is why for the first time in her adult life his wife is proud of her country. Although they are about "change", there is little change between their views and the same old rhetoric from MoveOn.org.

I couldn't stand the Clinton administration, but I was still, and currently am, proud of my country and it's history - and I don't feel any need to apologize for or re-write it.

So in summary.... I found the speech insulting on an intelligence level, and offensive on a moral one,

[[AK]Clay]

I'll give credit where it's due - from the parts I saw, I thought it was a good speech. It's a far better approach to a dialog that was done in a healthy manner than I've seen in a while - which is rare on this topic.

That's about all the weight I'm going to put on it for now.

[[AK]Nuts]

I think his speech sucked. Claiming that the Declaration of Independence was stained? That blacks have it tough in America (didn't see seem to hurt him and his rich-ass family).

His 'mentor' is in league with Hamas (he reprinted propaganda by author Mousa Abu Marzook, the deputy of the political bureau of Hamas in their church bulletin).

His wife hates America. He added pork to the federal budget earmarked to her place of business... nice.

In April he said he would fire anyone that would make disparaging remarks about another race (in response to the Imus affair) yet kept is racist,anti-American pastor on his staff!

Screw Obama. He's an inexperienced politicians with delusions of grandeur and a socialist.

[[AK]Abaddon]

Here's another link about a radical "pastor" associated with Obama. I use the term loosely ... this one is purportedly a Catholic priest, but sounds more like a moonbat.

Meet Father Michael Pfleger.

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2008...ma-mentor.html

Frankly, it sounds to me like Obama moves in more radical circles than he is willing to admit. I think he's a stealth Marxist. Hillary at her worst does not frighten me the way Obama does. I trust Hillary and Bill to pursue power for venal reasons and use the presidency to host Hollywood "activists" and Chicom lobbyists in the Lincoln bedroom in true white-trash style. I think Obama is a danger to the country.

[Moon]

Michael Reisig, speaker, author, and journalist.

President Obama.
By Michael Reisig

Well, having observed the progress of the Democrat and Republican Primaries
I would have to say at this point, America is probably close to electing
Barak Hussein Obama as its next president. I understand the need for
change - but for all my observation of Obama I have yet to hear any
decisive, detailed plans - it all seems to be continual rhetoric on the
concept of change.

It's all rather a puzzlement to me, and more than anything I think this
phenomena is representative of the new Survivor/ Oprah Winfrey/American Idol
consciousness (where the bizarre is applauded as reality and image is more
important than substance), and it is undoubtedly brought about by the
overwhelming dissatisfaction Americans have for a government that has
cheated, lied and stolen from them for at least the last two generations.

But for minorities, and in particular blacks, this election represents a
moment of long-awaited validation. There is no question that the election
of an African-American president will empower the blacks of this country.
Don't misunderstand me - this is not a racist statement, this is just a
fact, and in many respects this could be a good thing. But there is no
denying the sense of audacious rebellion that constantly simmers in much of
the black community, particularly with the youth of the large metropolitan
areas. I have some concern that the election of a black president will take
US back to a consciousness that promotes the power of race over
intelligence, reason, and the value of law, and that this may divide black
and whites more than uniting them. I hope that I'm wrong.

Obama speaks a lot about a uniting of black and white America, but the
church he has attended for years would contradict that Although you won't
hear much of this on national television, one has but to go to Obama's
church of choice, Trinity United Church of Christ (go to the website to
check for yourself) to find, and I quote, "An unabashedly black congregation
with a non-negotiable commitment to Africa. "An African people, 'true to
our native land, the mother continent, the cradle of civilization."

Nowhere in the website is America even mentioned. Can you imagine if one of
the other white candidates for president were a member of a church that
declared itself "unashamedly white?" What would the media have done to them
already?

I was also startled by a number of the points in Trinity United Church's
10-Point Vision:

*A congregation with a Non-negotiable Commitment to Africa.
*A congregation committed to Cultural Education (Africa).
*A congregation committed to the Historical Education of African People in
Diaspora.
*A congregation committed to Liberation.
*A congregation committed to Restoration. (Could this mean restitution?)

In addition, Trinity's senior pastor Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr., is
considered by many to be a black racist, who, without question, preaches
radical Afro-centric theology.

It appears, by affiliation, that we have a man who wants to be president of
America while much of his loyalty is invested in black Africa.

But there is also a deeper, perhaps darker consequence in terms of America
and its multi-national population when we consider Mr. Obama as our new
leader.

Investigations have shown that Obama's father and stepfather were devout
Islamics. Both faithfully practiced their religion. His stepfather, who
had a much greater impact on Obama's upbringing, was a radical Wahabbi
Muslim. Obama's mother married Lolo Soetoro, a Wahabbi extremist who lived
in Indonesia. When Obama's mother moved to Indonesia - before she married
her second Muslim husband - she enrolled her son in Francis Assisis Catholic
School. He was enrolled as a Muslim because he was a Muslim.

Obama's campaign website has been hailed as a testament to the candidate's
transformative politics. But at least part of the senator's online
outreach, "Muslim Americans for Obama '08" proposes installing Muslim prayer
areas in public places and giving Muslims time off for prayer, and has
denounced Obama's colleagues in the U.S. Senate who happen to be Jewish.

Further troubling are the issues and solutions on this site:
1. A Law against harassment of Muslim women wearing Hijab at the
Airport, DMV and other public arenas.
2. Institute a Law to allow Muslim Employees to take an hour off from
work for Friday Jummah Prayer.
3. Make the 2 Eid's (Muslim festivals), recognized National Holidays
on Calendars with days off from work.
4. Optional Halal meals in federal building, public schools and
colleges.
5. Provide prayer areas suitable for Salah and Jummah, in public and
private facilities. (i.e. Malls, Airports, Universities and government
buildings.)
6. Organize a Muslim American group to assist in recommendations for
US foreign policy affecting majority Muslim Countries.

I have to wonder how many encampments of Islamic extremists hidden in the
hills of Afghanistan and quiet rooms of Baghdad and Tehran listen to the
news of America's primary elections with unadulterated glee, considering
first, that we may have a president who has virtually no experience in
managing a government, or attending to military/ international affairs, and
secondly; the chance (as remote as it is) of a quasi-Muslim president of the
United States.

Think of the possibilities.
I have sent this to almost everyone I know. If you agree with this, I hope
you will do the same, or at least make sure you vote. It really scares me
to think of Obama being president. It's time we as Christians stand up and
let our voices be heard. Let's stop being the silent majority!

[[AK]StitchJones]

Why am I always the one driving the car? It's bad enough the site has a DiGiorno section. But now i'm the bus driver.... great... LOL.

[[AK]Hylander]

It's bad enough the site has a DiGiorno section. But now i'm the bus driver.... great... LOL.

It's not delivery, it's DiGiorno.

[[AK]Nuts]

mmmmmmmmm... pizza

[[AK]Bojan]

You know I use to like pizza, but recently I have found it just disgraceful and deceitful. I mean how can something that taste so good and look so wholesome be full of fat, carbs, and cholesterol!

Sure the Pizza might try and sell you the pitch that tomato sauce is good for your heart and may even reduce the chance of said attack, but he fails to explain that the greasy cheese, sausage, and pepperoni are also there and prone to attack the arteries.

Some may say a thin crust and vegi topping is the way to go, but how is that american, it only insults my intelligence! I say if I cant enjoy a good ol fashioned pepporoni like I did in the old days I don't want the damn thing at all and dont even get me started on the pint of beer we washed the thing down with.



PS Sorry I wanted to participate in the politcal debates too!

[[AK]Abaddon]

Meh, it's the political forum. No need for pizza, pie, cake, or any other pastries in here.