Immigration

[The Purchaser]

Godwin's Law
Godwin's Law prov. [Usenet] "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. However there is also a widely- recognized codicil that any intentional triggering of Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful.

Thus the thread continues despite the Nazi-like attempt of Choozoo the pseudo-Hitler to end it!

[[AK]Squidly]

The Statue of Liberty was erected a long time ago. The population levels were far different then and the inscription - while moving - is not law.

Immigration has been regulated for as long as I can remember. Frankly I think it's time to tighten those regulations even more.

There should also be no benefits of any kind for illegals (other than the busride to the border for immediate deportation.)

To get around the issue of lower than minimum wage illegals who work our farms, we should document them.

What really irks me about the story is the way our culture is being eroded. In some states, English is becoming a second language. Signs in some areas are being printed both in Spanish and English. Don't get me started on "Phone help systems".

The author of the article is correct...the melting pot isn't melting the way it used to. Groups come in and self-segregate. That's not what Lady Liberty had in mind.

[[AK]Abaddon]

Agreed. When people come here, they should come with the intent of integrating into American culture, not bringing a little bit of their own country's hell with them.

Edit: I don't mean to say they should not bring any of their culture. Where would America be without good Chinese and Indian food? But I draw the line at immigrants who want to force America to be like the country they left, instead of learning English and adapting to OUR laws.

[[AK]Squidly]

I would tune that statement a bit Ab... Bringing little bits of your culture with you is natural and helpful. Forming little (or in this case, huge) "cultural pockets" is another thing entirely. The need for the "Chinatown model" is at an end. We don't need classroom memos being translated into any of a hundred languages before being sent home. We need immigrants to melt. We need to stop accomodating and excusing cultural islands.

I think scaling back on immigration levels would be a big help in that regard.

[[AK]Gunny Highway]

A basic comprehension of the english language should be a requirement whether your applying for citizenship or here on a work visa.

[[AK]Hylander]

I refuse to tolerate "customer service" representatives who can't speak English. When I get one, I politely say to them that I cannot understand you and I need someone who speaks English as a first language. I'm not mean or rude, but I'm not going to sit there and ask them what they said 50 times because I can't understand them. Sorry, but they should not be doing "customer service" in America if they can't speak English.

Secondly, English should be declared the "official" language of the United States.

I agree with Squidly... Immigration laws need to be tightened severely and if you are not a citizen, you should not receive ANY benefits from our tax dollars. I don't care if you made a "run for the border" and gave birth as you were diving head first over the line so that your child was "born in America". If you are not a citizen, neither is your child. If you want them to be, then you need to go through the proper channels to do so.

I've known many first generation immigrants who came to this country, and they HAD to learn English and adapt to the United States, not the other way around.

But it's just another example of the left leaning ideals of pacifism, coddling, hand feeding, no personal responsibility, touchy feely, PC, group huggie philosophy. It reminds me of that old Genesis video "Illegal Alien". "Over the border, lies the promised land. Everything comes easy, you just hold out your hand".

I believe we do what we can to HELP immigrants who come to our country LEGALLY adjust and adapt to the American way. Give them the tools for education & job training to get them on their feet. But bending over backward to cater to them is wrong.

[[AK]Choozoo]

New Rule:

I will not post while drinking.

[[AK]Hylander]

New Rule:

I will not post while drinking.

Too much "French" Wine Choozoo?

[[AK]Choozoo]

oui oui mon frere

[[AK]Hylander]

Hispanic & Asian Growth

Hispanics, the nation's largest minority group, rose 13 percent between April 2000 and July 2003 to 39.9 million, according to Census Bureau figures released Monday. That far outpaced the 3 percent increase in the American populace during the same time, to 290.8 million.

Asians were the next-fastest-growing among the large minority groups, up 12.6 percent to 11.9 million, while the black population rose nearly 4 percent to 37 million.

About 4.3 million people listed themselves as of more than one race, up 10.5 percent from 2000.

The population of Hispanics and, to a lesser extent, Asians, rose in nearly every state over the 1990s, due in large part to immigration. The latest data appear to show a continued steady flow of immigrants into America in spite of the recession and the effects of the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, said John Logan, a sociologist at the State University of New York at Albany.

Whites remain the single largest group at 197 million, up just 1 percent between 2000 and 2003. That number refers to those U.S. residents who are not of Hispanic ethnicity and who selected only white as their race.

"Non-Hispanic white" is what would generally be considered the majority group in the U.S. population, though they are not officially designated as such.

Over two-thirds of U.S. residents are white. Bureau projections released earlier this year showed that whites and minority groups overall would be roughly equal in size by 2050.

[[AK]Choozoo]

Of all immigrant groups, Hispanics are the fastest assimilating, and the largest immigration group. Hispanics on average, the second generation uses English as their primary language, and the third generation doesn't even learn Spanish. (on average)

[[AK]Squidly]

That's great, provided they assimilate.

There's vast communities in southern California that don't. And they're growing.

[[AK]Choozoo]

No worries squid, Dr. Savage has my back. I believe in his message.

[[AK]Bribo]

Of all immigrant groups, Hispanics are the fastest assimilating, and the largest immigration group. Hispanics on average, the second generation uses English as their primary language, and the third generation doesn't even learn Spanish. (on average)

You should know. Amsterdam, NY is like Little Havana!

[[AK]Choozoo]

And I have my Sociology degree to back it up. It's more like San Juan though.

¡Que Bueno!